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[Gropes]

I never talked about Greenland or Iceland at all.It is obvious that you quickly ran short of any credible counterpoint comeback and used the DEFLECTION gambit in the desperate hope to throw me off the track.

Well you did say MWP was warmer than now. The evidence for that in the denilaist world is the fact Vikings called Greenland green? Or have you some other evidence you saw in some other movie?

I never stated that Greenland being green was evidence of a MWP.

You are full of crap here because you are so desperate with creating arguments that does not exist and then try to slap me with it.It is so stupid!

Well in that case I apologies. But it's not an unreasonable assumption. I don't know where you are from but we've got British politicians use that as evidence that man-made climate change is a hoax. The Viking story.

[Mike Davis]

Groupie:
The NAS Panel report was a weasel statement that had any meaning you want to place on it. In reality it did not say anything and that is why the primary contributes were subpoenaed before the Barton Inquiry panel where they admitted that MAnn's results were meaning less because of his proxies and methods and that is what we have been trying to tell you.
I would guess you do not have an answer for the Greenland and Arctic information I provided yet.

[Gropes]

Groupie:
The NAS Panel report was a weasel statement that had any meaning you want to place on it. In reality it did not say anything and that is why the primary contributes were subpoenaed before the Barton Inquiry panel where they admitted that MAnn's results were meaning less because of his proxies and methods and that is what we have been trying to tell you.
I would guess you do not have an answer for the Greenland and Arctic information I provided yet.

So now the NAS report conclusion is a weasel statement? A collection of independent peer review studies. Tell me where you getting your science from?

What, now you want to talk about Greenland? What about Greenland? And make up your mind!!!!

Arctic information? How many posters am I answering, perhaps I should repost!!!! I seem to be repeating myself to several off you. Why don't you guys and lord monckton club together and ask a coherent question!!!!!

Still no counterpoint from you against the Video.

Which particular point do you want to start with? Shall we go from the beginning, the arctic ice coverage? Unfortunately, Lord Monckton doesn't seem to understand the difference between surface area and volume. Perhaps Lord Monckton would like to add to his University of Illinois graph, Arctic Sea Surface Ice. Which is something he conveniently ignores in his presentation.

Perhaps NASA would be a better source.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... inice.html

The latest Arctic sea ice data from NASA and the National Snow and Ice Data Center show that the decade-long trend of shrinking sea ice cover is continuing. New evidence from satellite observations also shows that the ice cap is thinning as well.

[Mike Davis]

Groupie:
I found this about the Hockey stick and "Regurgitates Hockey sticks":
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/04/i ... peratures/
Fig 1. Taken from IPCC TAR

In short we have heard of problems with 1) the Mann material, 2) the Briffa material, 3) The cherry picking done by IPCC to predominantly choose data supporting colder Medieval Warm Period, 4) Problems joining proxy data with temperature data mostly obtained from cities or airports etc, 5) Cutting proxy data of when it doesn’t fit temperatures from cities, 6) Creating and Using programs that induces global warming to the data and finally 7) reusing for example Mann and Briffa data endlessly (Moberg, Rutherford, Kaufmann, AR4 etcetcetc).
You will have to read the entire thing!

[Mike Davis]

Groupie:
If you had stayed on topic and not wandered off you might not be so confused but then again I think that is a normal condition for you>

[Gropes]

Groupie:
I found this about the Hockey stick and "Regurgitates Hockey sticks":
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/04/i ... peratures/
Fig 1. Taken from IPCC TAR

In short we have heard of problems with 1) the Mann material, 2) the Briffa material, 3) The cherry picking done by IPCC to predominantly choose data supporting colder Medieval Warm Period, 4) Problems joining proxy data with temperature data mostly obtained from cities or airports etc, 5) Cutting proxy data of when it doesn’t fit temperatures from cities, 6) Creating and Using programs that induces global warming to the data and finally 7) reusing for example Mann and Briffa data endlessly (Moberg, Rutherford, Kaufmann, AR4 etcetcetc).
You will have to read the entire thing!

What the!!!! We were going on about Arctic and now we're onto Anthony Watts and his accusations? What 's it with you guys effing jumping about the subject like a kangaroo!! I'm still not sure wassisname wants to know about Greenland? As for Anthony Watts, before we continue with this odious character, perhaps you want to watch some of his work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_0-gX7aUKk

[Gropes]

Groupie:
If you had stayed on topic and not wandered off you might not be so confused but then again I think that is a normal condition for you>

Do you want to move your posts to this thread for administrative purposes. I don't know how many of you are there, but you chaps seems to be all over the place.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=510&start=70

[Ravenna]

Gropes,

Apology accepted.

It was named that way as part of convincing fellow vikings to come to southern Greenland.However it WAS green enough to allow growing crops that are not possible today.

It is cooler NOW than it was 600-1,000 years ago.

[Gropes]

Gropes,

Apology accepted.

It was named that way as part of convincing fellow vikings to come to southern Greenland.However it WAS green enough to allow growing crops that are not possible today.

It is cooler NOW than it was 600-1,000 years ago.

Of course, you spectacularly fail to mention the exactly time period? Was it at the beginning or end of the MWP? Or the temperature log? So tell me, why was iceland called iceland? Why don't you move this conversation to the my own special thread set