Derek wrote:Hello, and I hope this section helps many here, new and old.
This maybe a bit "heavy" but it has been making me ponder for sometime..
How does The Hot Water Bottle Effect compare / combine with Dr Ferenc M. Miskolczi's
"self regulating" greenhouse effect.
Probably the best / shortest / most understandable version of which I've found so far is below.
Greenhouse effect in semi-transparent planetary atmospheres by Miskolczi - a review Niche Modelling
There are numerous other threads on the blog with masses of comments as well.
Is it just a matter of timescale. ?
Or have I missed a basic difference.
Pat Cassen said...
In addition to all of the above [misapplication of Kirkhoff’s Law, an unintelligible invocation of the virial theorem, and an incorrect and apparently inspirationally derived psuedo-energy equation (his eqn 7)], it appears that the linch-pin solution presented in Appendix B is not what it is claimed to be. It does not satisfy the required boundary conditions, nor does it have the properties required to produce Figure 3. These results appear to be the result of, let us say, an unconstrained approach to the math. But someone else might want to look into this, too.
questioner wrote:It was published in an obscure Hungarian journal although it was written in English.
Climate Realist wrote:As well as being 60X as dense as Earths atmosphere, Venus is also a lot closer to the Sun and hence a lot more W/M2 of solar radiation.
Stephen Wilde wrote:The heat of the atmosphere of Venus is due to the atmospheric density NOT CO2. It is about 60 times more dense than Earth's atmosphere and there are no water oceans assisting escape of heat via the evaporation/condensation cycle.
The new, temperature-dependent absorption bands may, when included in the analysis of the atmospheric radiative transfer of the planet, help explain the observed high far-infrared opacity of the lower layers of the atmosphere.
The purpose of this thread was to determine how the Miskolczi paper (if it has any substance) might link with my Hot Water Bottle Effect idea.
Discussion of the merits or otherwise of the Miskolczi paper are therefore outside the scope of this part of the forum and I personally do not wish to take a view on it other than to support in general terms anyone with a promising line of thought given that modelling methods appear to have failed to explain real world observations.
Questions about the Hot Water Bottle Effect from open minded contributors remain welcome but if you disagree with my opinions then you are free to express your disagreement but not to dominate the thread with never ending objections and/or a determination to have the last word
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