Arctic Sea Ice rebound.

[Stephen Wilde]

I'm not aware of any change in story.

No calculations exist until someone addresses quantitatively the matters of:

1) Measuring the average net position of the jetstreams on a day to day basis.

2) Measuring the global net effect of all the oceanic oscillations combined on a periodic basis.

I'd happily have a go if I get a suitable budget but that is certainly the direction the research needs to go.

The sun heats the oceans, the oceans heat (or rather maintain the temperature of) the atmosphere.Lean and Rind now seem to think solar variation is rapid and measurable in so far as it affects climate. Quite a shift from previous expert opinion.

I know that my ideas are not mainstream but they work so far. There would be nothing for me to say if I just parrotted the mainstream consensus (which appears to have no predictive capability).

I've edited my previous post to cover the ocean height issue.

[curious]

No calculations exist until someone addresses quantitatively the matters of:
1) Measuring the average net position of the jetstreams on a day to day basis.

Done. This data has been collected regularly for a very long time. It is available to you.

2) Measuring the global net effect of all the oceanic oscillations combined on a periodic basis.

Also done, but irrelevant. The internal oscillations are independent of the total heat balance, and don't need to be considered. That is, the oscillations to which you refer have been examined, but found not to be significant in understanding why the global temperatures rise.

I'd happily have a go if I get a suitable budget but that is certainly the direction the research needs to go.

Back to a question raised a bit ago: where is your thesis under discussion outside these web pages? You deserve funding if your idea has enough to it to warrant a budget. As one reader of what you provide here, the blunt assessment is that you have yet to give clear persuasive answers to some fundamental questions, but perhaps to others your concepts are better-addressed.

In any case I wish you well. Funding won't drop out of the sky, you know. You have to go after it. Meanwhile what you say above, absent your effort to support your ideas, sounds kinda whiney. (Sorry, but it does.)

[Stephen Wilde]

Do you not recognise irony ?

Please supply a link for the jetstream data.

The oscillations I refer to are not internal They govern the ocean/atmosphere heat exchange and are both crucial and missing.

[curious]

The oscillations I refer to are not internal They govern the ocean/atmosphere heat exchange and are both crucial and missing.

The oscillations you refer to are simply part of the sloshing around of currents, winds, and heat content among the many elements of the terrasphere. They have little or nothing to do with the heat regime embracing the earth and the planetary space around it. It is the latter that determines how much heat arrives at the earth's extremities, i.e. the atmosphere, then the surface.

The condition of the atmosphere is the one controlling factor in how rapidly or at what rate that incoming heat, and heat released by all human and natural processes, plus heat arriving from the core, will return to space.

So again, and others have repeated this often, your model avoids consideration of the actual crucial (and present) mechanisms that retard the escape of heat. Global warming is consequent most of all on changes in atmospheric composition. No way around it, unless you can articulate your theory in some other way that accounts for the presence of greenhouse gases, explains through supporting data your premise that they have no effect, AND gives an alternative, data-supported reason why we should accept your model.

To date you have not accomplished that.

[Stephen Wilde]

Well I'll let you have that last word. Suffice it to say that I disagree and that real world developments will resolve the issue soon enough.

In the meantime anyone interested can access up to date Arctic ice information via the link in my initial post.

I am happy to deal with queries from others on the same issue. I cannot allow domination of any single subject by one committed contributor. Curious has had an opprtunity to set out his contribution so further contributions from him will be deleted but the opinions of others are also of value and are welcome.