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A GRAPH TO DEBUNK AGW
A Graph to Debunk AGW: Steve Goddard: Most Arctic Ice Gain Ever Recorded
Saturday, February 16th 2013, 1:31 PM EST
Co2sceptic (Site Admin)
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With a few weeks of growth still to occur, the Arctic has blown away the previous record for ice gain this winter. This is only the third winter in history when more than 10 million km² of new ice has formed.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/timeseries.anom.1979-2008
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Posted by Tom Richards (Twitter) on Feb 16th 2013, 3:33 PM EST
And yet still well below the median of all in the satellite era

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/arctic.sea.ice.interactive.html
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Posted by Co2sceptic (forum) on Feb 16th 2013, 3:35 PM EST
The satellite era being over what period?
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Posted by ted rising (Twitter) on Feb 16th 2013, 3:52 PM EST
The reason for the record gain is the record loss! Who cares about the gain? What does that prove? That it gets below freezing in the arctic in Winter? Big whoop.
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Posted by Tom Richards (Twitter) on Feb 16th 2013, 4:31 PM EST
Lol CO2, the graph you posted is only from 1980 so what are you trying to prove.

And of course, what you don't mention is that is this ice is very thin and will easily break up and start disappearing in a few weeks.
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Posted by Vince Noir (Twitter) on Feb 16th 2013, 5:25 PM EST
I wonder why it was a record? Oh it's because there was a record lowest extent the season before...

All you are doing is highlighting how bad last summer was.
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Posted by Co2sceptic (forum) on Feb 17th 2013, 8:32 AM EST
Guys

Are you missing a point to suit?

We ALL know the the Earth warmed in the 80's and 90's, but as you can see there is cooling from about 2008, yes climate temperature changes up AND down.

And yet only some of us, the climate realists, can see this change, for whatever reason those who support AGW, can only see an upward trand, you indeed have a religion and the Devil is CO2
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Posted by Craig M (Twitter) on Feb 17th 2013, 10:04 AM EST
Who cares about the gain?

haha and there you have all you need to know about this.
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Posted by ted rising (Twitter) on Feb 17th 2013, 10:12 AM EST
Craig. The gain in sea ice over the last few months is due entirely to the record melt last year. Big melt = Big refreeze!
The gain is not the same as saying the sea ice extent is larger than before. It isn't. In fact, sea ice extent is lower now than it was, on average, in the last decade..
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Posted by ted rising (Twitter) on Feb 17th 2013, 10:16 AM EST
Co2. The warming has continued since 2008 http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2008/to:2013/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2008/to:2013/trend

There is no cooling! The question is why? Why has there still been warming despite all the natural forcings being against warming?
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Posted by Co2sceptic (forum) on Feb 17th 2013, 10:38 AM EST
Ted

Got to pinch myself each time I say this as you seem the sort of guy who takes information in but on this topic it flows over your head:)

The OCEANS hold the heat, be it temporarily, they don't let it go that quick.

My View: In the process of the Sun warming the Earth for fifty years from 1950 to 2000, the heat has been stored by the Oceans. What your saying is that in the process of the climate balance sheet we have warming and cooling going on at the same time, as you can see that is not the correct situation. We have maintained some of warming, be it, it is not increasing. World temperatures have been stable for 15 ish years, and now the heat has started to be reduced as the currents of the Ocean move the heat around the world making changes to the Jet Stream. Ill try and save this explanation for the next time your confused
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Posted by Tom Richards (Twitter) on Feb 17th 2013, 3:52 PM EST
And CO2 something that I have pointed out several times in the past but seems that you are unable to grasp, or unwilling to accept, that your explanation that the it is the oceans releasing heat to the atmosphere that accounts for the warming in the atmosphere since the 1950s just does not hold water (excuse the pun).

Global ocean heat content has been increasing since the 1950s and markedly so since the 1980s.

It defies the law of physics if both the oceans and atmosphere warm at the same time without some sort of external forcing.

We know that the sun reached its peak during the 1950s and you cling on to this belief is that ever since then the oceans have been slowly releasing their heat to the atmosphere which accounts for the atmosphere warming. So, why are the oceans warming too during this period?

Comment edited by Tom Richards (Twitter) on Monday February 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM EST
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Posted by Co2sceptic (forum) on Feb 18th 2013, 4:31 AM EST
Tom

ALL the Solar Cycles since the 1950's have been above average, why you keep going on about the ONE in the 1950's is daft

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1396

Can't you see the ABOVE AVERAGE Solar Cycles?
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