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The Real Link Between Solar Energy, Ocean Cycles and Global Temperature by Stephen Wilde
Wednesday, May 21st 2008, 8:20 AM EDT
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Stephen Wilde has been a Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society since 1968. The first four articles from Mr Wilde were received with a great deal of interest throughout the Co2 Sceptic community.

In Stephen Wilde’s fifth and exclusive article for CO2Sceptics.Com he considers how to explain the apparent failure of the 'experts' to see or recognise the obvious and overwhelming climate driving mechanism provided by the sun acting in conjunction with a variety of oceanic processes.

THE REAL LINK BETWEEN SOLAR ENERGY, OCEAN CYCLES AND GLOBAL TEMPERATURE

This article expands and updates my previous articles and should be read with them.

Failure of IPCC to properly consider Solar Influence which is about the failure of the IPCC to properly consider solar influences and The link between solar cycle length and decadal global temperature which explains that according to real world observations the matter of solar cycle length is very significant.

Variations in solar energy as a driver for global climate change have been wholly discounted by the IPCC and climate modellers on the basis that something they call Total Solar Irradiance has not changed enough between 1975 and 1998 to make a significant contribution to the climate warming observed during that period.

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It is because solar influences have been discounted that the IPCC and climate modellers have been determined to attribute most of the observed warming during that period to an enhanced greenhouse effect caused by CO2 produced by human activity.

Consequently the climate models currently in use contain no solar effects as a component.

This article shows that they are wrong and that, in fact, solar energy is and always has been the overwhelming primary driver for global temperature with CO2 such a minor component that it should be ignored. Due to the differences in scale between the solar effect and the effect of CO2 the latter is only ever going to have a marginal effect at and around the peak of any natural warming trend and is unlikely to activate any tipping point that would not have been activated by natural cause. Indeed, during natural cooling spells CO2 will be a wholly beneficial mitigating factor.

This article will then go on to identify the additional parameters apart from solar activity that will need to be measured to give us a workable if approximate predictor of global temperature movements.

Showing that solar energy has been the predominant driver throughout history prior to the industrial revolution is not difficult.

'The Past and Future of Climate'

To my mind David Archibald provides the most convincing narrative for global temperature prior to the industrial revolution which is, of course, when mankind first developed the industrial technology that relied upon activities producing significant quantities of man made CO2 emissions. He is also very persuasive up to the present and into the future.

It can safely be said that for some time after the commencement of the industrial revolution the amount of CO2 produced by man was insufficient to be implicated in climate change.

In fact, the production of anthropogenic CO2 did not really start to escalate at a substantial rate until after World War 2. Since then the modernisation and industrialisation of the world has been increasingly rapid with more and more CO2 being produced to support a greatly increased world population at ever higher average standards of living. Accordingly we do not really need to consider the balance between solar energy and man made CO2 as climate drivers until 1945.

The period from 1945 to about 1960 was not a good time to consider the causes of climate change because the world was more concerned about a recovery from global conflict. Additionally it was not a good time to investigate the matter for separate climate related reasons.

At this point it is helpful to refer to the following link:

Ocean oscillations are not "masking" global warming: the cooling is real

I find Mr. Rawls very helpful in illustrating the effect of time lags between solar input and oceanic oscillations.

His article readily demonstrates that the lag between solar input and the reaction of the oceans can easily offset, interrupt or disguise the direct connection between solar variation and global temperatures.

He shows that despite powerful solar cycles 18 and 19 the global temperature had already started to decline before the weak solar cycle 20 which then compounded a cooling process until about 1975.

The reason was that the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) was out of phase with the solar variations. My proposition is that during solar cycles 18 and 19 the PDO was still reacting to earlier weaker solar cycles. Bear in mind that PDO cycles are about 30 years long whereas solar cycles are about 11 years long so there is bound to be a substantial but variable discontinuity.

At this point I now bring into play my own theory set out in the following article:

CO2sceptics News Blog Global Warming and Cooling - The Reality

As readers will see I have set out my opinion that solar energy directly drives PDO/ENSO and that PDO/ENSO together with similar cyclic oscillations in all the other oceans combine to drive global temperature up or down regardless of the level of CO2 in the atmosphere. However strong the greenhouse effect is, more heat coming in will cause a rise in temperature and less heat coming in will cause a fall in temperature. CO2 only affects the point of equilibrium, not the actual temperature. All CO2 does is increase the residence time of some of the heat in the atmosphere. CO2 does not create additional heat and it’s influence declines the more of it there is. In fact some say that at 380ppm in the atmosphere it has already used up all of it’s available greenhouse potential. The IPCC projections rely on the CO2 present causing an increase in water vapour which is the main greenhouse gas. However their models ignore all the characteristics of the planet that reduce the greenhouse effect of water vapour such as increased cloudiness, increased rainfall and increased convection.

One of the most important points to note in my other article is my comment that from time to time the other oceanic cycles can operate in the opposite mode to PDO/ENSO thereby offsetting it until any lag is worked through.

It logically follows that, from time to time, the other oceanic cycles can operate in conjunction with PDO/ENSO to emphasise the effect on the global temperature.

Before it is safe to attribute a global warming or a global cooling effect to any other factor (CO2 in particular) it is necessary to disentangle the simultaneous overlapping positive and negative effects of solar variation, PDO/ENSO and the other oceanic cycles. Sometimes they work in unison, sometimes they work against each other and until a formula has been developed to work in a majority of situations all our guesses about climate change must come to nought.

So, to be able to monitor and predict changes in global temperature we need more than information about the past, current and expected future level of solar activity.

We also need to identify all the separate oceanic cycles around the globe and ascertain both the current state of their respective warming or cooling modes and, moreover, the intensity of each, both at the time of measurement and in the future.

Once we have a suitable formula I believe that changes in global temperature will no longer be a confusing phenomenon and we will be able to apportion the proper weight to other influencing factors such as the greenhouse effect of CO2.

At the moment the weight given to the effect of CO2 in the models is just a guess.

It seems that some years ago it was noticed that the models of global temperature were diverging from real world observations. The modellers were unaware of the cause so they guessed at CO2 and attributed a warming capacity for CO2 just sufficient to bring the models into line with reality. They then announced that man made CO2 was a primary cause of global temperature changes and the bandwagon started to roll.

With respect to all concerned I do not consider that to have been a right or proper course of action. The cause of the discrepancy they observed could have been down to CO2 or it could have been down to other factors or even a combination of multiple alternative factors.

What they did was a perfectly sensible experiment. It was however irresponsible to trumpet it as the solution and to rely on it up to today.

When one conducts an experiment such as that then the proper approach is to recognise that it is only an experiment and then watch out for any new divergence between the models and the real world. The scale and timing of any new divergence is a useful indicator of where else one should look for new data to further improve the fit between the models and reality.

Instead the new divergences that have arisen have been discounted as evidence that the adjustment for the influence of CO2 was wrong in quantity. The models are not reflecting real world activity. They did not anticipate the stall in temperature trend which the Hadley Centre accepts has occurred since 1998 and they certainly did not anticipate the cooling down which appears to have commenced in 2007.

The mechanisms referred to by David Archibald and others do, however, account for those changes and moreover those changes were predicted in advance.
So which approach is proving more accurate and useful in the real world ?

Having observed the apparent failure of the models with their speculative CO2 component and having seen the relative success of the solar and astronomic influences at anticipating real world changes I have written this article to draw attention to what I consider to be the underlying real world process of global temperature change. Global temperature is controlled quite precisely (although it is difficult to calculate) by solar energy modulated by a number of overlapping and interlinked oceanic cycles each operating on different time scales and being of varying intensities, sometimes offsetting one another and sometimes complementing one another.

Any other single influence such as an enhanced greenhouse effect from CO2 is just one of a plethora of other potential but relatively minor influences which as often as not offset one another and leave the solar/oceanic driver unchallenged in terms of scale.

I can emphasise the importance of this issue for our near future by examining the period 1940 to 2008.

From around 1940 solar input was high during cycles 18 and 19 but then it reduced for a while during solar cycle 20 but (importantly) PDO was negative throughout. That remained the basic scenario until 1975. The background warming from two very active solar cycles 18 and 19 was cancelled out and then when we experienced the weaker cycle 20 combined with the continuing negative PDO we legitimately feared global cooling.

From 1975 to about 2000 PDO was positive and we experienced powerful solar cycles 21, 22 and the peak of 23 (which although less intense than the other two had a double peak). That combination produced the level of global warming that led to such concern from the IPCC and the modellers. It is important to note that taken together solar cycles 18, 19, 21, 22 and the double peak of cycle 23 produced the most intense period of solar activity since the Maunder minimum and that period of weak solar activity produced frigid conditions which, if repeated now, would be disastrous for our much more highly populated world. One only has to look at China’s reports of last winter’s ‘climate crisis’ to see that certain areas of China were rendered uninhabitable for a time.

In my personal opinion it was criminal for the IPCC and the modellers to ignore all that on the basis of some nebulous concept termed Total Solar Irradiance.

On the basis of the information in the public domain about solar cycles and the positive PDO it should have been blatantly obvious that the world would warm up without the need to speculate on a contribution from CO2 or anything else. But, no, they left the solar component out of the models and saw no significance in a positive PDO.

That brings me to the present scenario that I find rather worrying.

As Mr. Rawls points out we now have a less active sun combined with the start of a negative PDO.

Thus:

1) Active sun in cycles 18 and 19 then a less active sun in cycle 20 plus a negative PDO = cancelling out of expected warming followed by cooling when the sun gets less active in cycle 20 (!940 to 1975).

2) Active sun during cycles 21, 22 and the double peak of 23 plus positive PDO = significant warming. (1975 to 1998)

3) Slightly quieter sun during extended tail end of cycle 23 plus positive PDO = stable temperatures. (1998 to 2007).

4) Quiet sun as cycle 23 fizzles out and cycle 24 is deferred plus a negative PDO = Rather chilly in my opinion. (2007 to 20 ?)

Could it be that the IPCC and the modellers have been completely wrong footed and are now recommending exactly the opposite policy decisions to those that the world really needs?

I should emphasise the problems ahead of us if the solar driver theory is correct.

It would mean that the current cooling process will consolidate and continue for decades. I would prefer to be wrong because crops will fail, growing areas reduce, summers shorten and the environments suitable for plant and animal life will shrink towards the equator again after the past few decades of northward and southward expansion.

The past few decades that led to such painful heart searching will, in retrospect, look like very pleasant times.

Now I’m not saying that all this will necessarily come to pass but the evidence I have produced must be persuasive enough to establish that nothing is settled and that in policy terms we should become a great deal more cautious and cover the possibilities of both possible resumed warming and also the possibility of much more painful cooling.

By all means do what we can to preserve resources and improve efficiency but if we really are in for a period of cooling we should be far more liberal than is currently proposed about the use of fossil fuels and energy generally.

On balance I would prefer to see evidence that CO2 has sufficient influence on our climate to mitigate the cooling threat that we have before us but I see none. All the temperature changes of the 20th Century are readily explicable without involving CO2 at all and the first decade of the 21st Century is continuing the pattern.

Indeed, I would very much like to be wrong but the evidence is not supportive of an imminent runaway warming. Would a responsible policy maker ignore everything I have said? All I have done is pull together information that is already available. What are all those think tanks and experts doing for their salaries ? If they already have evidence to disprove everything in this article and make me a laughing stock then let them produce it.

All this reminds me of 1976.

A Minister for Drought was appointed and within weeks the drought ended and has not been repeated.

It is a fact of life that, in this world, by the time human institutions have devised a policy, the world has moved on and the policy becomes redundant and counterproductive.

I hope that both the planet and the IPCC can show my concerns to have been misguided.
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Posted by cwolk (forum) on Jul 9th 2008, 4:29 PM EDT
I feel like the basis for this analysis is misguided. The concept of "global temperature" is not helpful; we should really be looking at the Earth's temperatures regionally. During the "global cooling," mid-century, the Pacific didn't change much, the S Hemisphere warmed, and the N Hemsiphere cooled, except for Canada and a strip of warm temperatures crawling across Asia and Europe.
Since 1978, we've seen N Hemisphere warming, Pacific warming, and Antarctic cooling.
By adding TSI and PDO, we're acting as if the entire Earth responds the same way to those changes. There are so many distinct temperature trends on Earth that that analysis leaves out a lot. The PDO has actually been decreasing since the Great Climate Shift of 1978, causing the trends we've seen in the Pacific (masked by some additional warming). It seems to me that the Earth's climate system to complex to be dominated by only TSI and PDO. Throw in volcanoes, AMO, changes in planetary wave paths (like the jet stream), changes in cloud cover, thermohaline circulation, etc and then maybe we can begin to explain changes in global temperature. The AGW hypothesis is wrong because it assumes CO2 domination over all natural trends; sun-lovers are wrong because they assume changes in TSI dominate all natural trends; ocean-lovers are wrong because they assume oceanic circulation dominates natural trends. You're getting closer with both the Sun and the oceans, though I think you're still leaving a lot out.
Posted by Stephen Wilde (forum) on Jul 29th 2008, 7:04 PM EDT
I don't pretend to have the final diagnosis but I do see the combimation of solar and oceanic as overwhelming everything else most of the time.

The regional aspect is a good point but there are bound to be regional variations because of the time it takes a warming or cooling trend to work round the globe.

Effectively a new trend starts in the Pacific and ends in the Arctic Ocean some years later.

You will have noted that the Arctic was still warming until last year even though the Pacific has been cool for some time.

I'm curious to see whether the Arctic might join the cooling trend this year or next.
Posted by Ian Holton (forum) on Mar 16th 2009, 5:17 AM EDT
I have read your article and the extra post briefly just now Stephen, and at a quick read agreed with most of your sentiments, and thought you may be interested in the web article I just posted today. It was completed for my interest and for the interest of anyone else, no peer review, just my own personal research paper article on my web-site. Not done to be picked to pieces, but just done to show how solar-magnetic and ocean effects have in the past and may well effect Global Mean temperatures in the future.
http://www.holtonweather.com/global.htm
Posted by Stephen Wilde (forum) on Apr 25th 2009, 2:11 PM EDT
Thanks Ian.

I'll have a look and a think.

I agree that the precise mechanism of the solar / ocean relationship is currently in free play with a number of propositions including yours.

I deliberately left that part of the scenario out of my considerations because I lack the necessary science.

However all the propositions would be consistent with the basic overall scenario that I have set out in this article and others.

I hope I have set up a logical framework into which real world mechanisms can be fitted.
Posted by Thomas Poole (Twitter) on Sep 1st 2010, 7:49 PM EDT
I could agree more. Not by much though. A fine article, all in all. I hope these criticisms are constructive.

"It is because solar influences have been discounted that the IPCC and climate modellers have been determined to attribute most of the observed warming during that period to an enhanced greenhouse effect caused by CO2 produced by human activity."

Well not entirely. There are many more stages in their flawed logic that just that. Even if solar cycles COULD be discounted, and we know empirically that they can't, that would not mean that man is influencing climate. Just because it isn't a cat, doesn't mean it's a dog.

"What they did was a perfectly sensible experiment."

What they did was a worthless experiment, since they had never demonstrated predictive ability in the first place. What they did was to assert, baselessly, that they understood natural climate variability so completely that anything unexplained must be man-made. That wasn't sensible then and still wouldn't be now.

Even if they had demonstrated predictive ability, had a good understanding of clouds, could simulate the oceans AND the atmosphere at the same time and so on, it would be invalid reasoning. The fact that they couldn't and still can't do any of those things makes it absolutely laughable.

They gave the scientific community no reason to believe that their models fitted past temperature for any reason other that that they knew what results they wanted.

Their argument was non-existent, even without our knowing that the particular way they cheated was to tweak the aerosol levels in order to bring their models of past climate into line with reality. It still wasn't even that good a fit! I think I would have made a much better liar! (Have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9ob9WdbXx0 for instance. Pathetic, huh?)

They should've just employed me to fit a polynomial to it. Then they'd have the runaway warming they want! Alternatively you could overlay sinusoidal oscillations to approximate it as closely as you want. Then say, "I have the best climate model because I've accounted for the most oscillations. And my forecast is a perfect repetition of past climate, forever, with a period of 4.5 billion years... Oh look that's not happening! Man-made influence?!"

"...the cooling down which appears to have commenced in 2007."

2002 more like? True enough though; the cooling was predicted in advance. The solar cycle peaked in 2001. I'd been waiting years for the evidence to come in, so I was a bit miffed that the BBC openly declared, well before 2001, that they no longer considered presenting the CO2 sceptics' case to be 'responsible'.

Anyway, I find your recent dates very surprising, and they sound more in line with surface data than the satellite data that is so much more reliable. It would be more reliable even without considering the fraud exposed by Climategate, or the incompetent weather station siting and maintenance exposed by the likes of Anthony Watts -- and which continues to be exposed by every interested amateur and his dog.

You also seem to be trying to achieve a moderate position, by prefixing a lot of sentences with "In my opinion". That is not necessary in science. We shouldn't give such ground to intelligent design theorists, and nor should we give it to the liars and dupes who claim they have evidence for the CO2 theory, when they certainly don't.

It is moderate to reserve judgement until we see evidence; it is not necessary to accept false, fraudulently produced evidence in order to be nice to anyone. We can't completely discount the possibility of man's influence on climate, but we can completely discount the claims that there is evidence for it. There is zero confirming evidence whatsoever. That is an extreme statement but a true one.

What happens instead is that the theory becomes increasingly elaborate for the sake of its mere validation, while we still have zero confirmation of it. It has become Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Climate Destabilisation With Bells On, or CAGCDWBO.

Perhaps we are causing warming or perhaps cooling. Perhaps we're doing it by burning too much CO2, or perhaps by burning too few virgins. We must have evidence. We all understand the logic that sacrificing millions could be justified to save billions. That is precisely why we need to know for sure that billions actually are threatened, and not simply act on a spurious guess. Bringing Doomsday to the negotiating table skews all risk analysis and throws cost/benefit analysis right out of the window.

You are entirely right that we need to prepare for climate change. And the arguments you present certainly do what they're supposed to:

"... but the evidence I have produced must be persuasive enough to establish that nothing is settled and that in policy terms we should become a great deal more cautious and cover the possibilities of both possible resumed warming and also the possibility of much more painful cooling."

How very true.

Comment edited by Thomas Poole (Twitter) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 at 9:13 PM EDT

P.S. I particularly like your wording here:

"...is unlikely to activate any tipping point that would not have been activated by natural cause"

A very useful sound-bite. It should be a lot easier to convey to laypeople, than the usual sort of stuff, like:

"The 'positive feedbacks' validation of the CO2 theory overestimates past climate sensitivity, which is why they had to start tweaking aerosol levels in the models to achieve stability for the past."

Comment edited by Thomas Poole (Twitter) on Wednesday September 01, 2010 at 9:42 PM EDT
Posted by Thomas Poole (Twitter) on Sep 1st 2010, 8:16 PM EDT
I would also like to add a few more points about why the proposed policies are bad. They are separate, but corroborating points. To stress their separation I'll number them.

I am not arguing with what other people have said so far. Hopefully adding something though.

1. CO2 brings global greening.
2. What about the benefits of warming, be it natural or man-made? You seem to want the climate to stop changing. That would be good in many ways. Personally I think it would be even better for it to warm up and THEN stop changing. (We clearly agree though, that neither is going to happen.)
3. Whatever people think about CO2 emissions, the policies that are claimed to be about reducing CO2 will do no such thing.
4. We must not accept the lazy reasoning that these policies could be good for the world anyway, and solve many other problems as a bonus no matter what the science says. A far more credible position, which many proponents of the CO2 theory take, is that huge sacrifices are necessary to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels -- if that is what we want to do.

To clarify point 2, it would be simplistic to say that warming is good in every way, but I find it reasonable to look at the fossil record for the first approximation of the answer, to the question of whether warmth is a good or bad thing. The answer is that when there is more warmth there is more life.

Remember point 4 whenever someone waves the Stern review around, which basically amounts to "It's all fine. Should've done this ages ago, come to think of it." Real economists find his claims quite incredible.

With regard to protecting against climate change, and indeed all natural disasters, I would also like to stress that it is a more extreme and threatening phenomenon at the local scale. Locally, sea level can rise tens of metres in a single day, due to an isolated event. Flooding is a problem in some countries; bushfires are the problem elsewhere. Different countries need different climate protection policies.

When we average things over the whole world, we lose the difference between day and night, and summer and winter; the global average temperature is a meaningless statistical residue that nobody cares about in practice.

We were taught in school that the word climate means a moving average of weather over time. Many people misunderstand it to be weather that is averaged over the Earth. Local climate change is a serious ongoing threat; global climate change, natural or otherwise, is generally not. (Unless of course you're losing sleep over the possibility of one of the big ice ages starting, which will be somewhen between tomorrow, and forty thousand years' time. Thankyou, the currently weak orbital cycle that has given us an extended Holocene. I'll come back and edit this post when I've reminded myself of the name of the cycle in question.)

They told us in school it was an average over 30 years. These days I keep hearing 25. Neither is more meaningful than the other, or any other time-scale. There is no special significance of 30 or 25 years, regarding climate stability.

My GCSE geography teacher, though dismissive of her own understanding of science, was good enough to stress that the 30 year figure is an artefact that has little to do with the natural world. The important concept for us to learn was the idea of a moving average. Depending on the use you intend to make of it, it is valid to take a moving average of weather on any time-scale, from minutes to the billions of years of geological time.
Posted by Thomas Poole (Twitter) on Sep 1st 2010, 9:12 PM EDT
cwold said:

"sun-lovers are wrong because they assume changes in TSI dominate all natural trends"

No. They don't. I thought Mr. Wilde had already done a fine job of explaining why this is a straw man. I'll reiterate...

1. We cannot discount empirical data on the basis that the proposed explanatory mechanism seems wrong.
2. TSI is not the proposed mechanism.

If you don't want to make a straw man attack, it would be better to change "because" for "if", "assume" for "think" and "dominate" for "drive", as well as generalising "TSI" to "solar activity" and "natural trends" to "oscillations". What looks like a trend on one time-scale looks like an oscillation on another. I don't like the word trend, because so many people WILL insist on projecting a trend!

So it would become,

"Sun lovers are wrong if they think changes in solar activity drive all natural variation."

Now it's possibly true and possibly not, but at least it's not attacking a straw man. We live on a magnetic planet in the Sun's atmosphere; there's plenty more than total solar irradiance to consider.

The Sun actually COULD be driving all or most natural variation, including ocean cycles, by a mechanism that neither you, nor indeed anyone, is necessarily aware of. It needn't be beating other effects into submission and overriding ocean cycles. It could be their cause.

Nor do solar physicists deny the effects of volcanoes. But as it happens, gravitational effects of the Sun, Moon and even Jupiter could actually be influencing tectonic activity. At this stage, it's not much more than speculation, though it is being used to make experimental predictions. Let's see how they come out. After all it is not so laughably, obviously wrong as the idea that CO2, or the temperature itself, could be causing it! (Some say the melting of ice causing the land to rise can cause eruptions and earthquakes, but the numbers just don't add up. The effect is nowhere near big enough.)

We're still talking about something quite complex, and of course we have trouble predicting the Sun itself. We're not just talking about an 11 year cycle, or even an 11 year and a 22 year cycle. There are many patterns on much longer time-scales than that.

The Sun's influence is modulated by orbital cycles, the behaviour of the Moon and countless other things.

The word drive is important, in that re-jigged version of your sentence. Weather caused only by other weather can be predicted for only a few days. An external driver changes that completely. While the Sun probably isn't the proximate cause of a lot of variation, you may be surprised by the extent to which we could yet discover that it is the ultimate cause of a huge number of phenomena.

Meanwhile, solar physicists are making the most stunningly accurate predictions of any climate scientists, so I forgive them for the apparently brazen and simplistic statement, "It's the Sun, stupid!"

"ocean-lovers are wrong because they assume oceanic circulation dominates natural trends"

I take it you mean they assume changes in the atmosphere have changes in the ocean as a stronger proximate cause than anything else, such as external influences on the magnetosphere for instance. (Which, I might add, extends further than the Moon.)

But they don't assume that. So far as I can tell, they just keep chastising the solar physicists for over-simplification, for not mentioning the oceans more when communicating with the public. They're not saying it's all the oceans, just that it isn't all the Sun. (As it happens I think that's the actual over-simplification; when we look at ultimate causes it could still all be down to the Sun. Nobody knows for sure.)

It's not such a mad assumption, that variations in ocean circulation dominate other types of internal climate variability, but that doesn't discount the possibility of an external driver on all of them.

When we talk about the climate here on Planet Water, we're surely talking about the oceans A LOT. I can't think of any bigger trends/oscillations. Water is heavy and slow and there's LOADS of it, with gigantic heat capacity. I'm sure you'd agree with this, judging by your comment, "You're getting closer with both the Sun and the oceans".

But where does cause end, and effect begin? Aren't the trends/oscillations in ocean circulation at least as complex, difficult to explain and potentially chaotic, as those in the atmosphere? It's no explanation at all, to say, "This complex thing is caused by that complex thing." That's why we need to dig deeper for ultimate causes -- not because it's unreasonable to suppose that changes in ocean circulation dominate other types of internal variability.

"The AGW hypothesis is wrong because it assumes CO2 domination over all natural trends"

This is less of a straw man attack, because some people are actually stupid enough to make this claim!

But you'll find that most proponents of the CO2 theory are actually fairly cautious about saying it explains ALL climate change. Unless we're talking about certain journalists, of course... (Has everyone seen this? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727754.200-time-to-blame-climate-change-for-extreme-weather.html Rather worrying, I thought.)

Anyway, once again, there are plenty more reasons than that, why the AGW theory is wrong. It is a tower of invalid logic on a foundation of unsound data. CO2 doesn't just fail to dominate; it is irrelevant.

Here is the complete list of correct predictions that the CO2 theory has made:

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Posted by Thomas Poole (Twitter) on Sep 1st 2010, 9:58 PM EDT
Hey... Did I write more than was in the original article?

Whoops :^)
Posted by Stephen Wilde (forum) on Jan 6th 2011, 5:32 PM EST
Hello Thomas, just saw your posts,haven't re-read this piece for a while.

It was a very early effort by me and I've moved on a lot since with the help of critics and supporters.

Please see this for my latest thinking on how it all fits together:

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=6645

"How The Sun Could Control Earth's Temperature"
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