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BRING IT ON: Ed Miliband declares war on climate change sceptics by Juliette Jowit, environment editor, The Observer
Sunday, January 31st 2010, 2:14 AM EST
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Image AttachmentThe climate secretary, Ed Miliband, last night warned of the danger of a public backlash against the science of global warming in the face of continuing claims that experts have manipulated data.

In an exclusive interview with the Observer, Miliband spoke out for the first time about last month's revelations that climate scientists had withheld and covered up information and the apology made by the influential UN climate body, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which admitted it had exaggerated claims about the melting of Himalayan glaciers.

The perceived failure of global talks on combating climate change in Copenhagen last month has also been blamed for undermining public support. But in the government's first high-level recognition of the growing pressure on public opinion, Miliband declared a "battle" against the "siren voices" who denied global warming was real or caused by humans, or that there was a need to cut carbon emissions to tackle it.

"It's right that there's rigour applied to all the reports about climate change, but I think it would be wrong that when a mistake is made it's somehow used to undermine the overwhelming picture that's there," he said.

"We know there's a physical effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere leading to higher temperatures, that's a question of physics; we know CO2 concentrations are at their highest for 6,000 years; we know there are observed increases in temperatures; and we know there are observed effects that point to the existence of human-made climate change. That's what the vast majority of scientists tell us."

Mistakes and attempts to hide contradictory data had to be seen in the light of the thousands of pages of evidence in the IPCC's four-volume report in 2007, said Miliband. The most recent accusation about the panel's work is that its chairman, Rajendra Pachauri, may have known before the Copenhagen summit that its assessment report had seriously exaggerated the rate of melting of the Himalayan glaciers.

However, Miliband was adamant that the IPCC was on the right track. "It's worth saying that no doubt when the next report comes out it will suggest there have been areas where things have been happening more dramatically than the 2007 report implied," he said.

The danger of climate scepticism was that it would undermine public support for unpopular decisions needed to curb carbon emissions, including the likelihood of higher energy bills for households, and issues such as the visual impact of wind turbines, said Miliband, who is also energy secretary.

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Ed Miliband declares war on climate change sceptics by Daily Mail Reporter

Climate secretary Ed Miliband broke his silence on the ongoing row about man-made climate change by declaring war on the 'siren voices' who denied global warming was real or man-made.

Mr Miliband said the by the 'climategate' controversy that appeared to show that vital data was suppressed or manipulated by climate scientists, as well as the more recent revelation that the Intergorvernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had exaggerated claims about the melting of glaciers in the Himalayan mountains.

'It's right that there's rigour applied to all the reports about climate change, but I think it would be wrong that when a mistake is made it's somehow used to undermine the overwhelming picture that's there,' he told the Observer.

He pointed to a wealth of research used to support the argument that climate change is man made - the physical effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, CO2 concentrations and observed increases in temperatures.

'There are a whole variety of people who are sceptical, but who they are is less important than what they are saying, and what they are saying is profoundly dangerous,' he said.

The danger of climate scepticism, he said, was that it would foster dissent against unpopular decisions such increases in energy bills and investment in wind turbines, which are essential to tackle environmental issues.

However, climate change scepticism has been growing ever since the leaked emails controversy at the University of East Anglia, and last week's revelations about IPCC work has fueled the flames.

The accusation is that chairman Rajendra Pachauri may have known before the Copenhagen summit that the rate at which Himalayan glaciers are supposed to be melting was hugely exaggerated in its report.

Mr Miliband defending the report, pointing to the thousands of pages of evidence in the IPCC's four-volume report in 2007.

'No doubt when the next report comes out it will suggest there have been areas where things have been happening more dramatically than the 2007 report implied,' he told the Observer.

He admitted that the Copenhagen summit was a disappointment, with no formal agreement being reached, but said there were some important achievements, including the agreement by countries responsible for 80% of emissions to set domestic carbon targets.

The climate secretary warned activists against despair, saying: 'There's a message for people who take these things seriously: don't mourn, organise.'

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Ed Miliband defends climate change science BBC News

Recent controversies over scientific data have not undermined efforts to tackle global warming, Climate Change Secretary Ed Miliband has insisted.

Among the controversies are claims that some leading scientists exaggerated the melting of the Himalayan glaciers.

Mr Miliband told the BBC it would be "profoundly irresponsible" to use one "mistake" as an excuse not to act.

He added it did not "undermine decades of climate research" and the "majority of scientists say that".

'Devastating'

Earlier this month, the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was forced to admit it had made a mistake in asserting that Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035.

The incident came shortly before the disclosure that the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia broke Freedom of Information rules in refusing to release research data.

The CRU was already at the centre of a row over a series of leaked e-mails between leading climate scientists, the contents of which led some to suggest that evidence against man-made global warming was being suppressed.

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Posted by Climate Realist (forum) on Jan 31st 2010, 5:36 AM EST
Nice to see quite a few well informed Climate Realist comments appearing, even in the horribly biased Guardian/Observer.

Ed Milliband, too late mate, the tide of public opinion is turning.
Posted by Climate Realist (forum) on Jan 31st 2010, 6:49 AM EST
I even took the bother of logging in to the Guardian and posting this:-

"I would like to take Ed Milliband to task for some of his comments:-

"We know there's a physical effect of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere leading to higher temperatures, that's a question of physics; we know CO2 concentrations are at their highest for 6,000 years; we know there are observed increases in temperatures; and we know there are observed effects that point to the existence of human-made climate change. That's what the vast majority of scientists tell us."

Actually Ed, no. There is no physical proof that carbon dioxide can do this in the earths atmosphere, the Greenhouse effect is an unproven theory. Worst still, there are physicists who have published papers casting huge doubt on the whole theory, and besides, CO2 is a bit player. If the greenhouse effecct is real, CO2 is vastly overshadowed by water vapour (95%) as the dominant GHG. Human contribution to CO2 cycling on the planet is simmilarly 5% of that of nature.

So, we have 5% of 5%, is 0.25% of the (alleged) greenhouse effect. If the human race were to dissapear tomorrow there would be no measurable effect on the climate.

Also, no, there are no observed effects that show human influence in the climate, all we have is an increase in temperature of about 0.6C over the last 150 years and an increase in atmospheric CO2 of about one third, from 280 to 390PPM, but even these figures are disputed as CO2 varies so much over the whole atmosphere. Two factors increasing (somewhat imperfectly) together, does not a proof make, correlation does not prove causation.

The vast majority of scientists?? Actually no again, surveys do not show this to be the case and only about 30-60 scientists were involved in the IPCC report. There are more scientists working in climate and related areas who are skeptical of the global warming "crisis". And if you look up "Climate Gate" you will see from the leaked e-mails the advocates of warming (CRU, East Anglia) fiddled the figures to make warming look worse than it has been.

If you don't believe me, i suggest you read articles by or watch lectures on You tube from these eminent climatologists:-
Dr John Christy, Dr Roy Spencer, Dr Richard Lindzen. Google them. None of these men are in the pay of oil companies, in fact the oil companies are on the side of the global warming scaremongers. They are investing in carbon trading, "green" technologies and in addition, restriction of oil supplies will drive prices up and mean even more profits for big oil.

Gordon Brown and Ed Milliband are wrong on almost everything they say on climate change. But why do they love this theory?? Because it is a perfect excuse to raise huge taxes- that is why your heating bills are much higher than they used to be.

A few websites of interest:-
http://climatedebatedaily.com/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
http://climaterealists.com/

These are all websites run by unpaid volunteers who are striving to show the true picture of the Climate Change debate, not the biased view portrayed in most of the mainstream media.

Remember- climate does change, but man can do little about it.
Posted by mij61 (forum) on Jan 31st 2010, 6:54 AM EST
So once again, it doesn't matter how many times the proponents of
AGW gets caught with their pants down, the science is settled.
Posted by Joe Olson (forum) on Jan 31st 2010, 9:17 AM EST
Lord Miliband intends to make good on his claim to "Make Poverty History" by dramatically increasing the poverty rolls in the western world. Striped of our 'energy intensive' occupations we will be sack clothed paupers begging for our daily carbon ration and our precious drops of bio-fuel.

It's time for the new Magna Carta and for the masses to strip the elite of their priviledged world of hypocrisy, theft and deceit. There will never be enough carbon credits to buy their way out of Hell. And as my article says, there's "No Loophole for Your Soul"....

to be continued....
Posted by Arachnid (forum) on Jan 31st 2010, 10:11 AM EST
Isn't it a bit of a giveaway that Ed Milliband is launching a war.

I don't recall Darwin or Galileo starting any wars, and I don't recall hearing about Pythagoras' Right Angle Triangle War.

Scientists don't launch wars - they deal in theories and facts, so I believe, and you don't launch a war over a theory, unless you're wrong.

Wars are the preserve of politicians who seek to impose their ideologies on others.

You're slipping a bit Ed to allow us such an insight. This is an ideology and nothing to do with science.

I look forward to the Cancum Comedy Festival, though I doubt the headline act - Pachauri - will be there.
Posted by darrenlobo (forum) on Jan 31st 2010, 12:27 PM EST
Here's the comment I posted at the Guardian:

Ah, the last desperate shrieks of the climate alarmists. Lets start with the IPCC. If you read the report you see that all it does is tell us what they think is likely or not likely, they don't claim to prove anything. The IPCC says that the chances are 9 out of 10 that global warming is caused by Man, but it might be the Sun:

Greenhouse gas forcing has very likely caused most of the
observed global warming over the last 50 years. This conclusion
takes into account observational and forcing uncertainty, and
the possibility that the response to solar forcing could be
underestimated by climate models.

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-es.html

****************************************

The understanding of anthropogenic warming and
cooling influences on climate has improved since
the TAR, leading to very high confidence7 that the
global average net effect of human activities since
1750 has been one of warming, with a radiative
forcing of +1.6 [+0.6 to +2.4] W m2 (see Figure
SPM.2). {2.3., 6.5, 2.9}

Footnote 7:

7
In this Summary for Policymakers the following levels of confidence
have been used to express expert judgements on the correctness of the
underlying science: very high confidence represents at least a 9 out of
10 chance of being correct; high confidence represents about an 8 out
of 10 chance of
being correct (see Box TS.1)

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-spm.pdf

Chances are 9 out of 10. We're not in Las Vegas betting on things. They either can prove AGW or they can't. Guess what, they can't.

Now CO2. The rise in atmospheric CO2 lags behind temperate rise, it doesn't lead it. Therefore it's not the cause. Snake oil salesman Al Gore's claims not withstanding:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/07/carbon-dioxide-and-temperatures-ice.html
Posted by andersm0 (forum) on Feb 2nd 2010, 7:56 PM EST
Really, when your job title is Climate Secretary and climate crisis is the reason it exists, what else would you expect someone holding that position to say? Damn right I'd fight tooth and nail for a theory upon which my bread and butter is based.

At times it's hard to believe the UK, once a world power, has sunk into such a pit of socialist self-destructive government. The Brits as a people are revered for their toughness and common sense. They deserve a government of much higher calibre than what they've received.
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