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Newsletter: NZCLIMATE TRUTH NO 244 by Vincent Gray
Wednesday, April 21st 2010, 5:42 AM EDT
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THE FLAT EARTH

All of the computer models of the climate have adopted the flat earth theory of the earth's energy, as portrayed in Kiehl J. T. and K. E. Trenberth 1997. Earth’s Annual Global Mean Energy Budget. Bull. Am. Met. Soc. 78 197-208.

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The attached graph is in all of the Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change, and it is fundamental to all their activities.

It assumes that the earth can be considered to be flat, that the sun shines all day and all night with equal intensity, and that the temperature of the earth's surface is constant.

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All the quantities on the graph are given as correct to the nearer Watt per square meter, but the figures in the paper are shown to possess very high inaccuracy which can never be measured, but always has to be "qualitatively estimated".On this occasion it was possible to stretch these inaccuracies to the level needed to provide a "balanced" energy budget. The total energy entering is made equal to the energy leaving. In this way it is now possible to calculate the effect of additional greenhouse gases. If it was not "balanced" and the "balance" varied it would be impossible to calculate.what are the effects of additional greenhouse gases.

There has now been a change of heart, in the following paper

Trenberth, K E, J T Fassulo, and J T Kiehl. 2009 Earth's Global Energy Budget. Bull Am. Met. Soc. 90 311-323.

This paper does a complete reassessment of the figures in the first paper. Its amended version as a mean between March 2000 and May 2004 is attached.

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The earth is now thoroiughly flattened, as if it had been run over by a cosmic steamroller. Most of the figures have changed. Those for input and output of radiation are now apparently correct to one place of decimals. The rest of them are in trouble. The paper is full of discussions on how they could increase the "qualitative estimates" of uncertainty that might be attached to them, but this time they have found it impossible to extend their estimating ability sufficiently. So this time it is "unbalanced" to the extent of a warming of 0.9 Watts per square meter a year for the period 2000 to 2004.

Unfortunately there is no doubt that the earth's temperature cooled over this period. This paper is therefore firm proof that the original concepts behind the models are wrong.

It ought to be obvious. The earth does actually rotate. The sun does not shine at night. The temperature is not constant. Every part of the earth has a different energy input from its output.

There is a correct mathematical treatment. It would involve the division of the earth's surface into a large number of tiny increments, and the energy input and output calculated for each one, using the changes in all the factors involved. There would then have to be a gigantic integration of all these results to give a complete energy budget for the earth. Only when this is done and repeated over a long period will it be possible to find the influence of increases in greenhouse gases.

The data do not exist for such an exercise and probably never will.

Until then we will have to settle for the methods that have been developed by meteorologists over the past two centuries and hope that these can be extended over time to provide us with a means for assessing the effects of additional greenhouse gases on the climate.

The currently promoted greenhouse theory is dead and its consequences have to be removed at once.

Cheers

Vincent Gray

Wellington

"To kill an error is as good a service as, and sometimes better than, the establishing of a new truth or fact"

Charles Darwin
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Posted by Joe Olson (forum) on Apr 21st 2010, 7:55 AM EDT
The 'Global Energy Flow' includes ZERO for any internal heat generation, what 'Non Science Nonsense' ! ! !

Until 2005 it was assumed that there was a 6 terawatt geo-thermal daily flow rate, but the KamLAND experiment bumped that to at least 60 terawatts per day. Solar is 84 terawatts per day, so internal energy is estimated at 75% of daily solar. Up to 50% of solar can be reflected or reradiated prior to hitting the surface.

Radon gas is inert and does not form any chemical compounds. Radon can only produced by fission decay and has a very unstable half-life of 3.8 days. A pound of Radon becomes 1/8 of an ounce in just 21 days. For Radon to be a problem it must be produced in large volume at a continous rate.

All fission reactions produce energy and it is this 'geo-nuclear' energy that melts our magma, powers our ocean thermal heat sinks and is the greatest climate variable. Any climate model that does not include this giant force is a FRAUD.
Posted by Ian (forum) on Apr 21st 2010, 10:06 AM EDT
+341 incoming solar
- 79 sent back to space by clouds and aerosols
- 23 sent back to space by surface albedo
=239 for the surfaces and air to react to.
Of 239 Wm2 available for input to the air:
161 absorbed by surfaces
*78 absorbed before reaching the surface
Of 161
- 80 surface evaporation/latent heat
- 17 thermal emissions
= 64 available for IR emission from the surfaces
64+*78
- 40 atm. window
=102 available for IR emission by the atmosphere
50% emitted up leaves 51 for back radiation
even were all 239 W to be available, 50% emitted upwards by the atm. leaves 120 for back rad.
Where on Earth does 356 emitted radiation and from the heavens 333 back radiation come from? The miracle molecule CO2 that causes earthquakes and volcanoes?
Seriously, can someone explain it?
Posted by Co2sceptic (forum) on Apr 21st 2010, 1:18 PM EDT
Hi Ian

We have sent your question to the Author of the article
Posted by Alan Siddons (forum) on Apr 21st 2010, 2:19 PM EDT
Ian, you might also want to see The Greenhouse Hustle (http://climaterealists.com/attachments/database/TheGreenhouseHustle.pdf). It’ll give you an idea of how and why climate modelers rationalize that extra energy. At the end is a statement by Gavin Schmidt: “The factor of two for A (the radiation emitted from the atmosphere) comes in because the atmosphere radiates both up and down." That factor is the premise to question.
Posted by mtobis (Twitter) on Apr 21st 2010, 4:48 PM EDT
Total heat loss from earth is indeed in the tens of TW; Wikipedia gives 42 or 44. Solar flux is 174 PW. Geothermal flux is indeed negligible; solar flux constiutes 99.97% of energy input into the biosphere. That is why geothermal flux is neglected on a global scale. Direct heating from energy consumption (urban heat island) is about a third of the geothermal flux at 13 TW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

There is no "flat earth" presumption. The solar constant is quadruple the value shown for solar input. The quantity shown in the standard global mean balance calculation you see in the two figures is an average over time and space.

As for "where the 356 comes from" etc., perhaps an analogy will allay your confusion. Imagine a fountain, fed by a small hose, and drained by a small drain. (You can either neglect evaporation, or consider evaporation to be part of the drain if you prefer.) To reach a steady state, the hose and the drain have to balance. But any water spewed out of the exuberant fountain mechanism can be much larger, as long as it amounts to exchanges within the system.

The figures shown are comparable, and their differences are indicative of the uncertainties in the various quantities. In the absence of global warming, the incoming and outgoing numbers must balance in the long term average, so both figures show a non-global-warming scenario.

This is first year level stuff, so if you feel ready to critique the science none of it should be news to you.

In practice, there appears to be an imbalance on the order of a watt that is going into heating the ocean and melting the ice, though this is difficult to measure exactly. Of course, such an imbalance is what we would expect if greenhouse gases dominate the forcing of climate change, which they currently do.

Geothermal flux IS important to ice sheet dynamics, by the way, and the new models of those processes will have to include it.
Posted by crazy bill (forum) on Apr 21st 2010, 7:43 PM EDT
Vincent - good job noticing that the models "flatten" the earth. But of course it would be just too much of a d'oh moment if all the climate scientists had got that wrong... :)

Look up solar radiation in watts per square meter and you find it's about 1369 (wikipedia or several other websites). However as you point out that is only during the day, and only at midday when the sun is overhead... Short story, it's easy enough to show that the average number over the whole earth is 1/4 of 1369 (think of geometry and surface area of a sphere compared to a circle). So you end up with the 342 shown in their figure (you'll have to dig deeper to find out why it was only 341 for the 2000-2004 years - maybe solar cycles?)
Posted by crazy bill (forum) on Apr 21st 2010, 7:59 PM EDT
The surface of the earth measures just over 500 million million square meters. That is a lot of watts of solar power... According to the flat earth diagram, 161 watts per sq-m hit the ground on average. So we have 80,500 million gigawatts of solar hitting the ground. Let's just hope that most (all) of it gets radiated back out to space or we'll fry...

ha ha ha
Posted by cartoonasaurus (Twitter) on Apr 21st 2010, 8:46 PM EDT
Models like these show how weak our knowledge is - the hubris involved is STAGGERING, thinking we can predict the end results of changes in inputs and outputs based on such a primitive understanding of insanely complex and inter-related systems that act and re-act in such a myriad of UNKNOWN ways...

When the unknowns outweigh the knowns, it's important to admit it. Admit the weakness of your guess. Admit that any policy changes based on your guess are an extremely bad bet.

The truth can set us free but arrogance chains us to mistakes...
Posted by MostlyHarmless (forum) on Apr 22nd 2010, 5:56 AM EDT
Crazy Bill is correct. The surface area of a sphere is 4 pi r^2 and the area of a circle with the same radius is pi r^2, that is a factor of 4. The "gigantic integration" would result in the same factor: divide the total area of the earth by 2 to account for day and night, and the area of the "disc" is half that of the hemisphere receiving solar radiation, that is the "effective" area of the earth for incoming radiation. However, when considering the heat that the earth radiates, both sides of the disk have to be included, which is why the diagram appears to show around double the incoming figure being radiated.

Where the scientists (and modellers) err is in using a standard black-body model for the radiation emitted by the atmosphere, which assumes a flat surface. The atmospheric "black body" is most certainly NOT flat. I haven't got the equation or figures to hand, but Trenberth et al.'s assumption that the atmospheric re-radiation warming the earth is "about half" is in error (that half goes up, and half goes down), sufficient to throw their careful "energy balance" out of the window.
Posted by Ian (forum) on Apr 22nd 2010, 7:27 AM EDT
"But any water spewed out of the exuberant fountain mechanism can be much larger, as long as it amounts to exchanges within the system. "
This is a guesstimate of accumulation of energy in the system and it can be any figure? But heat doesn't accumulate because at night moving poleward from the tropics heat loss is increasingly rapid.
At the tropics only in high humidity areas like inside the rain forests IR emission is constrained to a low height and not much escapes but the image shows cloud height for the back rad. Your analogy is misleading and and gives the impression the numbers in the image have been plucked from the air or produced by modelled assumptions. It also suggests that part of the image is time lapse and part snapshot. An awkward marriage.
I'll await Dr. Gray's reply before commenting further but thanks for trying to clarify.

You state;
"Of course, such an imbalance is what we would expect if greenhouse gases dominate the forcing of climate change, which they currently do."
Your plug is a credit to the dogma considering there is no credible evidence that so called GHGs subordinate to H2O play any significantly greater role than any other molecule in delaying energy escape except possibly at the top of the troposphere and next to the surface but it appears in those locations that a balance exists, additional emission upwards compensating additional emission downwards.
Considering that most of the energy conveyance to the top of the troposphere is done by collisional-frictional transfer and convection, and that the downwelling IR is compensated by upwelling IR at any achievable volume, it would appear that the small volumes of reactive gasses we see in the air other than H2O are virtually neutral in influence, lacking H2O's storage and phase change capability.
The public face of climate science in general shows only hyperbole as a return on 2 decades of massive investment imo.

Crazy bill, you are misreading, the image shows 494 absorbed by the surface.
494x500giga mtrs gives 247gigawatts.

CO2Sceptic and Alan, thanks. I'll read the GH hustle presently.
---------------------------
Can anyone tell me either the average distance between molecules at the top of the troposphere contrasted with surface air or how to calculate? I guess density/ difference would suffice for my purposes.
Posted by Ian (forum) on Apr 22nd 2010, 10:26 AM EDT
MostlyHarmless I saw your post after I sent mine. Thanks for your thoughts.

There should then be 2 constructs, a day time and a night time energy flow chart. But that would be less alarming I guess. The day/night split still doesn't gel with the volume of energy in the air depicted in the image not least because of the atm's poor heat retaining capacity.

Say half the 78 absorbed by the air is emitted downwards, 39
Unrealistically say half the thermals and evapo is emitted downwards as 48.5
So 161+48.5+39-80-17-40 gives a generous 111.5 net inflow that is emitted by the surface as IR to produce a return of 245.5 (333-48.5-39 already accounted for) that is emitted but as 396. To me that is a huge assumption.

Taking air at an average T, the surface emission is another average T governed by air T. The surface increases energy stored when air T suppresses emission and releases it when the air cools. It can't release more than it has gained on average because the atmosphere both warms increasing the store and cools reducing it. The image implies there is another energy source or that a time span is used that is not consistent with the rest of the image to generate the surreal radiation energy circulating in the system.

Although it is grimly humourous to poke fun at flat earth models, it doesn't negate the fact that there is an average influx and outflow of energy.

As a globe, within the system I would expect a slightly favoured upward flux of IR of decreasing importance with height due to reducing curvature but this should be a very small amount due to the rapid back and forth transmutation of energy surely?

My idea is that the IR spends an increasing amount of the time with height transformed to other energy forms that rise by convection and conduction due to the transformation time difference in that a shorter time is taken to transform energy from light to other forms of energy compared to the reverse transformation, amplified with height due to increasing distance between molecules. Simply, surface radiated energy spends more time in non radiation energy forms within the system.

Also that a so called GHG molecule momentarily has a higher energy state when impacted by IR implies it creates a larger space around the molecule that must rise some due to convection (like a bubble in water).

These are possibly significant factors favouring the upward flux of surface emitted IR energy and accelerating the whole convection/conduction processes a little.

There is also the work done in the reaction provoked by absorption using energy so lengthening the wavelength of the IR emission (due to the longer time taken for emission) that must be accounted for.

Summary for policy makers :) Absorbed IR is emitted at a higher altitude than it is absorbed biasing the flow of energy upwards. Increasing CO2 volume does not decrease the bias.

Absorbed IR energy is re-emitted at a lower frequency. In CO2's case that means the surface IR absorbed by the gas is emitted in a reduced frequency beyond the ranges in which the molecule absorbs, probably taking several absorption/emission cycles.
Emitted IR energy within the system declines in volume with height due to increasing time spent transformed to other energy forms.

All in my opinion, of course. Do I have any misconceptions?

(I often subconsciously expect people to be mind readers. If I err that way, I apologise.)

Comment edited by Ian (forum) on Thursday April 22, 2010 at 10:33 AM EDT
Posted by Bob Armstrong (forum) on Apr 23rd 2010, 12:17 AM EDT
I find this essentially one dimensional flat earth model an impediment to actually understanding the physics of planetary temperature rather like the proverbial trying to reach the moon by climbing a tree .

On my http://CoSy.com I've taken a more basic textbook approach implementing the Stefan-Boltzmann & Kirchhoff laws for arbitrarily shaded gray ( flat spectrum ) spheres . Just this handful of lines of array programming language shows the temperature of a gray ball in our orbit radiantly heated by the sun is about 9 centigrade cooler than our observed temperature . Unfolding the dimension of spectrum - which may be said to define the greenhouse effect - should explain most of that remaining 9 degrees .

That's without even considering the vertical structure of the atmosphere , or internal sources of heat .
Posted by SMaley (forum) on Apr 25th 2010, 4:06 PM EDT
This is the same Trenberth who's searching for all the lost heat? It must be in the oceans below 3000 m because that's the only place we haven't looked...

Or just maybe the model is flawed?
Posted by Stephen Wilde (forum) on May 27th 2010, 11:25 AM EDT
I think this is a more complete summary of the overall global climate system than either of the speculative graphics used here:

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1302&linkbox=true&position=6
Posted by Stephen Wilde (forum) on May 27th 2010, 11:27 AM EDT
I think this is a more complete summary of the overall global climate system than either of the speculative graphics used here:

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1302&linkbox=true&position=6
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